Friday, July 2, 2010

intolerant commenter part 2

Be sure and read Intolerant blogger part 1, or this may not make much sense.

Ms. Intolerant stated that Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin were both Deists, and that there were also a few atheists thrown in.

We could argue about whether Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, or a Theist, but it wouldn't really be relevant in the discussion, as I think Ms. Intolerant was speaking in reference to the Constitution which Thomas Jefferson did not sign. As far as Ben Franklin is concerned, I agree that he was most likely not a Christian because he stated at one time that he didn't believe in Jesus' Deity, I hope his mind was changed before his death, however, I do know that just a few weeks before he died he wrote these words concerning Jesus.

"I think his system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see:"

One does not have to believe in Jesus, or his deity, to believe and understand that his principles, Christian principles, are good, and make a better world when they are followed!

Of the fifty-five men who met to write our constitution, fifty of them were unquestionably Christians, and possibly fifty-two. Of the fifty six who signed, definitely fifty, maybe fifty-two were Christians.

None of that really matters however in a discussion of our country, and if it was founded on Christian principles, because the ground work was laid far before that.

The Mayflower Compact was written by the first settlers of Plymouth as they sat in the Captains quarters on their ship before stepping on to the "New World". That document affirmed their intention when it states "for the glory of God, and the advancement of the Christian faith". You see, those pilgrims as they were named by Governor William Bradford, who derived the name right out of I Peter 2:11, were a single congregation, secretly formed in 1606 in Nottinghamshire England. They began their underground congregation by making a covenant, which became the Scrooby Covenant, pledging to "obey God, and His law, and to walk together in Christian fellowship". Because religious freedom was nonexistent in England, they left for the Netherlands. There they faced different hardships, and eventually planned to go to America. The first group arrived in America in 1620. The very group that penned the Mayflower compact.

The significance of the Mayflower Compact to our Constitution is ginormous, isn't that obvious?

After that initial group of pilgrims came, several more waves of Pilgrims came, then in 1628 the Puritans arrived. By 1700 the distinction of the two groups had been dissolved. Over the next 150 years, these dedicated Christians in New England, wrote up about 100 different compacts, covenants, and constitutions. They all reflect a Christian motivation.

No one can argue with the Character of these early settlers, and the hardships they endured, all in the name of religious freedom and the cause of Christ. However, instead of being grateful for the contributions that they made to our nation, and the wonderful Christian Heritage they left behind, the modern secularist holds them up merely as cartoon images to be dismissed and forgotten.

I could go on and on to prove that our country was founded on Christian principles. Why is that so hard for some to accept? It's just a fact, and just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it false. History is History, and nothing can change it. Our secular history books have more words dedicated to Marilyn Monroe then to the Puritans and the huge impact they had on our American way of life, because they don't want you to give God the glory for what he has done through those puritans.

So, Ms. Semantics, you can go on and pray to God when you need him for healing, but not acknowledge the work he has already done to make your life worth living in the first place. And, Ms. Intolerant, you can cheer on your favorite soccor team, all the while forgetting the price that was paid for your enjoyment. Ms. Oblivious, you can fail to stand for what is right, and let intolerant blogging commenters bully you into not using words like blessed, even when you know we all are, and Mr. Rude, you can hide behind silly immature tactics like making fun of people who know more about something that is important to them, and aren't afraid to speak it, all the while failing to speak yourself. Irrelevant, I guess you can keep spouting about the religious persecution you have never experienced, and the Indians that apparently you would have lived at peace with, while forgetting that free speech is just one more thing our Christian forefathers gifted us with. But none of you can change history, no matter how much you want to! This great United States of America was founded on Christian principles, and If I was the last person to believe it, and I can assure you I am not, it wouldn't make it any less true!

If you have made it to the end of this very long post, I commend you, and while I welcome your comments, please don't write about all the mistakes our forefathers made. I am well aware that the Indians were pushed out of this land unjustly, and that many of those Godly men I speak of also bought and sold slaves, among other atrocities. They made horrible, unimaginable mistakes, they were sinners in need of a Savior just like you and I, but that does not change the reality of our history!


Ginger said...

WOW! There are really some ignorant people out there. I read your part 1 and am just stupified as to the true ignorance of our history. It's a denial thing, I think. But, being in denial doesn't change HIStory, and neither does editing textbooks. It is what it is.

Anonymous said...

Great post!! It is interestin to me why folks are so offended by Christianity. Christians are NOT perfect nowhere near. We simply see our own wretchedness, our great need of reconciliation with God. And understand Christ sacrifice and atonement makes a way for us to be with a totally righteous, holy God. In us nothing good dwells. We need HIM. He teaches us love never fails, He said the greatest 2 things we can ever do is love God with all our heart, mind, soul and love our neighbor (others). We fail, but the goal is to live it out. He forgives us. THAT is amazing love and grace. It is a process we are workin thru and strivin for. We are no better than anyone else. Just forgiven. Now understandin man can never be perfected on earth. Our government founded on Christian principles is the best ever on earth. I do not know of ANY better. Our moral laws (well they used to be moral), do not murder, do not steal, ones such as this, where do these ideas come from? The Bible of course. And loving our neighbor, not easy, but why would anyone take issue with that?? I don't get it. This weekend we will celebrate our great country's freedoms so preciously (high value) granted to us. And in our hearts give thanks to God and all those who work for those freedoms!! Sorry for the very long comment. Passion, ya know...... :-).

Jen Q. said...

Great post, Amy. Way to defend yourself.

Danielle said...

whooo hoooo! you go girl!

Sean and Joli said...

Amy, I have laughed so hard and cried at your post! I do wish we would have gotten to know each other when you lived here. I was just telling Sean that I think just like you about alot of things:-) I hope your beautiful family is doing well. Keep on writing.
Joli Hardwick

Debi said...

Hi Amy, great post. I loved it. I miss you girl. Think about you often.

Love you, Debi